% difference between a donation and a purchase?

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Obviously I don't expect exact numbers but is there any info about donations vs store purchases?

I want to give money to the campaign, after last nights debate, but unsure if I should purchase a shirt I want or donate. Can't do both.

Is there a big difference between the two?

(Also side note: Does the bernie hat fit small on anyone else?)

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I’m genuinely torn between Bernie and Liz

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Hi guys, not sure if posts like this are allowed so I'm sorry if I'm breaking any rules. I was a Bernie supporter back in 2016 back when it was my first chance to vote for president. I've always loved his enthusiasm and policies, and despite the fact that I'm fairly broke myself have donated to his campaign numerous times. However, I also love Elizabeth Warren's passion and her policies seem fairly similar to Bernie's on a lot of issues. Can anyone tell me what policy or personality differences led them to support Bernie over Liz?

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Trying to Understand the Intense Bernie Hate and How that is Ramping up the Antagonism between Sanders and Warren Supporters

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As a veteran of the 2016 Bernie campaign, I am seeing some similarities between the sort of abuse Bernie got back then from HRC supporters and what he is getting now from a segment of Warren supporters.

I am concerned about this because while I want the differences between Bernie and Warren to be discussed openly and fairly–and I recently wrote just such a comparison on means testing–I do not want to see a return to the toxic trolling and hate that became the 2016 pattern between Bernie and HRC.

I don't think this is good for either Bernie or Warren, but is is especially toxic for Bernie, because Warren has the entire news media treating her pretty much like Queen Elizabeth.

To put this in context, I went to the Hillary board in the fall of 2015, identified myself openly as a Bernie supporter, and I told folks there politely that if they believed HRC would win the nomination she would need to have the support of Bernie people to win the general election. And she would need to have the activist energy of Bernie's young base to win as well. So I told them it was in their interest to cool it with the attacks on Bernie as a racist, sexist, greedy, phony, millionaire, incompetent, egomaniacal blowhard. Bernie supporters were routinely characterized as racist, sexist, spoiled, lazy and stupid. I told the Hillary subreddit that it would be counterproductive to continue in that vein. Discuss the actual meaningful differences instead, and win support on those grounds. But knock it off with the below the belt stuff, especially about Bernie's supporters.

The response at the HRC subreddit was immediate and furious. I was told in no uncertain terms to fuck off and that Bernie and his supporters were all total assholes who deserved everything that got from the HRC camp. I knew then that HRC was in trouble, even if she won the nomination.

It seems like the most obnoxious element of Warren supporters–those who routinely and groundlessly demean and distort Bernie and his supporters–are increasingly Hillary supporters from 2016. They are not a majority of Warren supporters by any means, but they are a notable caucus.

I have long thought that part of the intense anger some HRC supporters had toward Bernie was that he exposed what a corporate establishment shill HRC was. Many of HRC's supporters wanted HRC to be seen as much more progressive than she actually was and not be seen as a hack. Recall that Hillary was blindsided by Bernie's surge in 2016 and was unprepared to defend herself from attacks on her left. I suspect these HRC supporters disliked many of HRC's positions–like her vote for the Iraq war and her coziness with Wall Street–but for a variety of reasons were never going to go as far left as Bernie…and as I said they hated Bernie for making them as well as HRC look like sellouts. They really hated Bernie supporters for seeming holier-than-thou. These 2016 HRC supporters get what they wanted now with Warren–she is superior to Hillary in my opinion–and they can keep up their blind hatred of Bernie and his supporters. Its a two-fer.

I get pissed off as much as anyone at some of the idiotic and unfair attacks and putdowns Bernie and all of us get from this crowd. It is ever-present on CNN and MSNBC and proliferates on Twitter. But let's follow Bernie's lead and not get dragged into the gutter. Keep the debate on issues that actually matters to working-class Americans and not get distracted by the toxic sludge of Bernie hate. These attacks are a refection of an inability to take Bernie down on the stuff that matters and should be treated as such. Follow Bernie's lead. That is the path to success.

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A Few Big Differences Between Bernie and Warren

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Bernie Warren
Committed to Medicare for All from the beginning Only recently supports Medicare for all but calls it a ‘framework’.
Committed to small donor fundraising even in the General election Small donor fundraising in the Primary, not the general
Did not vote to approve Ben Carson as Secretary of Housing Voted to approve Ben Carson then flip flopped when criticized.
Worked with Republicans to repeal the 'Medical Device Tax'
Long history of progressivism dating back to the 60s Staunch Republican up until the late 90s.
Experienced as the longest serving member of congress, Mayor of Burlington, VT Harvard professor, 2nd term Senator
78 years old 71 years old
Did not vote for Trump’s Military Budget Voted twice for Trump’s increase in the Military budget
Long History of supporting trade unions and wants to expand the trade union movement Scant recent history of supporting unions, copied Bernie's Workplace Democracy Act
Has a comprehensive Green New Deal Plan smaller plan
Wants to cancel all student debt Wants to cancel some student debt with means-testing solution.
Wants to cancel medical debt
Supported LGBTQ equality since 1972 Supported marriage equality in 2012
Supported Womens' Rights, Equal pay, and Reproductive Rights for his entire career Before 2012 unknown
Life Long champion for progressive issues Other than banking issues. No record of supporting progressive causes before running for Senate in 2012
Thoroughly vetted Unknown record of her positions before 2012

A few other big differences between Warren & Bernie

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IMO: the difference between democratic socialism and “human-centered capitalism”

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Bernie Sanders is a left-wing populist, someone who isn't afraid to call out the ruling class. Listen to him, it's always the rhetoric of "we" rather than "I," and he openly talks about a "political revolution." His policies may be social democratic, but when asked if he is a capitalist in an interview, he flatly says "no, I'm a democratic socialist." I feel like if we develop a strong enough movement over the years, he would support actual socialism. He also doesn't frame politics as being about Big Men With Solutions. He genuinely wants masses of ordinary people like us to join him in fighting for economic, social, political rights. He embraces class conflict and struggle.

On other hand, I never hear Yang call out ruling class in militant terms. Yeah, he talks about "getting big money out of politics," but his solution isn't actually developing a movement to challenge elite power. He has a plan for "Democracy Dollars," i.e. just giving a 100 bucks to each voter to donate to campaigns. But this isn't systemic change, it's not about changing power relations at a structural level. And that's my whole problem with Yang. He basically is an advocate of technocracy, i.e. where a group of smart policymakers change the system from within, rather than all of us rising in a mass movement. His UBI proposal also appeals to libertarians, and he wants everyone to come to the middle. Yang is trying to keep all us proles from revolting against the system when automation hits.

TLDR; Bernie is for left-wing people power, Yang is a center-left technocrat who sees politics in a more top-down way

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Bernie laying out the difference between he & Trump when it comes to criticizing the media

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"My criticism of the corporate media is not that it is 'fake news," that it lies all the time or tries to destroy people-which is what Trump believes. My critique is that the corporate media pays relatively little attention to the most important issues facing the working people of our country and increasingly treats politics as if they were entertainment or a football game."

  • Bernie Sanders, Where We Go From Here: Two Years in the Resistance

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