Serious question concerning strategy: Should we encourage Bernie to give away the money from his book sale?

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Hi all, I just came to read this text from April by Nathan Robinson in Current Affairs: https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/04/why-bernie-sanders-should-give-his-millions-away

Robinson is one of my favorite socialist writers, who always has something smart to say IMO. In this text he raises an issue I had kind of forgotten about and put to the side: Bernie's millions. Put simply, he thinks that it would be the best choice for Bernie to give away the millions he made on his book, both as a moral choice and as a political strategy:

"Bernie being a millionaire muddies the whole “us against the 1% framing.” Now he’s not one of us, he’s one of them who has allied with us. He’s a “class traitor.” It used to be that Sanders was “the socialist in the millionaires’ club,” a man who could say truthfully to audiences “I do not have millionaire or billionaire friends” and who could joke that “most of the people in this room, unless I’m mistaken, are not millionaires or billionaires.” No longer. Bernie has voluntarily given up a huge advantage. Now he’s the socialist millionaire in the millionaires’ club. It’s far less powerful.

Image matters a lot, and the flipside of the damage that being a millionaire does is the tremendous gain to be had by giving up his wealth. Let’s say Bernie paid off a thousand people’s medical debt. He could use the moment to make a powerful point. He could say:

It is a disgrace that I should be in the position of getting to personally decide whether these people can pay their medical bills. Health care should be a right, not something left to the charity of millionaires. I never asked to be a millionaire. I don’t want to be a millionaire when there are people out there with nothing, and nobody else should want to be either. I could have been part of the millionaire’s club, but I am choosing not to be, because until we have guaranteed a basic standard of living for all, it is obscene that we have millionaires."

After having read this text, I've become convinced that Robinson is right. Particularly at this time, when Bernie doesn't seem to be making any gains in the polls, I think it becomes even more important for Bernie to distinguish himself from the others. On this sub, we know all about his history, his principles etc, which hasn't changed. But for the average voter, I think there are few things which would distinguish him more from the others than actually giving away the money he made on the book sales to pay for people's medical debt.

What do you think?

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Should the Sanders campaign work to generate support in states by showcasing how corporations have benefited from state tax policies over the past few decades?

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Should the Sanders campaign work to generate support in states by showcasing how corporations have benefited from state tax policies over the past few decades? For Republicans and corporate Democrats, shift the tax burden at the state level to workers is a win-win. Corporations pay less, and the public becomes sensitized to high taxes and more receptive to pro-tax cut propaganda. Joe Biden and Republicans likes to talk about states rights when it suites them. Maybe it is time to talk corporate taxes at the state level too. As indicated in the 2016 link, "In 36 of 46 states collecting corporate income taxes, net corporate revenues grew at a slower rate than total revenue over the past 20 years." Some of the more extreme examples … In Ohio, corporate tax revenues dropped 81% versus a 64% overall increase. In Michigan, it was a 72% drop in corporate taxes versus a 56% overall increase. In Louisiana, it was a 54% drop in corporate taxes versus a 68% overall increase. So regular people are seeing their taxes going up while corporations, and their investors are going to be reaping the rewards … unless the corporations are paying their employees well, giving bonuses, etc. https://www.governing.com/topics/finance/gov-disappearing-corporate-taxes.html

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Policy Discussion: How should be get transporation funding as electric cars become more popular, removing taxes gained through fuel taxes?

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I was reading up on fuel taxes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_taxes_in_the_United_States and how much they (+ other fees) comprise of road funding https://taxfoundation.org/state-road-funding-2017/ and it got me thinking about how funding will need to shift as electric cars start to take a greater proportion.

If anyone has valuable reads or has ideas about this, please comment!

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Why should I vote for Bernie Over Warren?

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Disclaimer: I’m posting this in good faith. Bernie will likely be the democratic nominee, but I honestly don’t feel the Bern. I’m not trying to debate or troll- I just want to understand him better or see if there is something I’m missing. My mind is open.

Honestly, the arguments I have seen for Bernie haven’t convinced me he’d be the best candidate for the job. Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE how progressive he is. And if it was 2016, I would have voted for him.

But now it’s 2020, and all the candidates have the same platform, and Warren perfects his platform imo with her detailed plans. The fact that he’s been consistent is great, but the fact of the matter is that Warren has been pretty consistent since she’s turned into a democrat. I also haven’t been super impressed by his debate performance, and feel like he gives a lot of platitudes (feel free to argue with this).

What am I missing? What inspires you so much about Bernie that you don’t see in Warren?

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Why a pending recession should scare every progressive to death…

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I think we can all agree that Trump has been doing his very best to royally fuck up the US (and global) economy. In addition to this, America is currently experiencing its longest period of economic boom in history. In other words: a massive financial crash and subsequent recession are overdue.

Despite this fact, researchers believe the risk of a sudden recession during the year 2019 only lies around 15%. This may sound great until you find out the risk for a big crash increases to 60% between August 2020 and early 2021 (even higher after that).

So, what does that mean? It means that every Bernie/Warren supporter (every progressive) should be scared shitless because there's a good chance the crash will hit at the worst moment imaginable. If the recession comes (shortly) before the elections, it will hurt Bernie in several ways. Firstly, people tend to vote for continuity in leadership during times of crisis (this is a proven fact, it's not my bias). Secondly, the Republicans and the corporate media will both start to mudsling by saying how Bernie wants to ruin the economy even more with his expensive policy ideas ("This is not a time for such pie-in-the-sky proposals!") And thirdly, a significant part of the electorate will buy into this propaganda, especially if centrist establishment Democrats join in and stab Bernie in the back. This may seem unlikely today but when people get into serious financial troubles, it's super easy to scare them out of voting for progressive candidates. These factors may easily cost Bernie the election. However, if the crash hits after the election, things may turn out even worse. Think about it: this is the first progressive president in over 75 years. Incidentally he even calls himself a "socialist". And now what happens? As soon as he steps into the White House, the economy tanks, people lose their jobs, their homes, people can't buy food anymore… everything goes to complete and utter shit. Now you might say: "So what? That's not his fault" but I think you're being to rational for the majority of Americans in that case. Let me remind you that some people still believe Obama caused the Great Recession. Obviously this complete hogwash (it began in August 2007 when Bush was still in office) but people believe it anyways. If this happens, it might end up having long-term consequences on how the American public views progressives. People will say: "we knew it" and "the Republicans were right after all, socialists are horrible". People will be angry, disappointed and for the next 75 years nobody will want to vote for a progressive president again. All the work, the energy and effort would have been for nothing. A crash during Bernie's term would also hinder him from fighting for real change. Instead of being able to push for real change and big reforms he'd be stuck dealing with a broken economy and an angry population. This would be so frustrating and heartbreaking to watch.

However, perhaps the worst part about all of this would be that Trump would once again get off the hook while Bernie would receive all the blame. 20 years later people would remember Trump somewhat fondly, just like some people are nowadays remembering Bush junior fondly who should in reality be tried and imprisoned for war crimes and crimes against humanity. Meanwhile, Bernie would be remembered as the evil socialist who "screwed up the economy when everything was going so well".

Disclaimer: I'm not American, I'm from Western Europe. I do love Bernie though, so these are very serious worries I have. I wonder what you guys think about them.

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Kamala Harris once argued that an innocent man should remain locked up in prison because he had made an error on his paperwork

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"…California Attorney General Kamala Harris is challenging Larsen's release, saying he hadn't presented proof that he was innocent quickly enough…"

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Daniel-Larsen-Murder-Conviction-Overturned-Innocence-Project-198996291.html

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Should we criticize Kamala Harris right now?

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Should we criticize Kamala Harris right now?

I'm very insure which side to go with. Yes or no. Kamala has already eaten into Biden's, Buttigieg's, O'Rourkes, and Warren's popularity. A new poll came out Kamala the only one that got a bump. The more corporate they are the more of a dip people took (for the most part). Here just look at the shift for yourself:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html

Since Kamla is so low in the polls and she's hurting corporatists, especially Biden. My thinking is; when you have Godzilla fighting King-Kong. Maybe we she just step back and let them take each other out.

https://i.redd.it/miu2bewmnk731.jpg

It seems like Kamala is splitting the centrist vote. It might come down to Kamala and Biden with less than 20% each. As far as centrists go. If that happens then if Bernie hasn't taken a hit or a bump yet. Then Bernie would only be a couple points under Kamla and Biden. Bernie would go from a distant second. To a close second behind to corporitists roughly tied.

What do you think? I'm not saying my thinking is good. I'm just saying it might be interesting.

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Bernie should talk about closing Guantanamo Bay, where migrants are being sent..

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Looks like migrants are being put in gitmo, for profit. I remember in 2016 Bernie was pretty tough on this issue. From FeelTheBeen.org:

"Bernie supports closing the Guantánamo Bay detention camp that the United States maintains on the Cuban island, noting it has “significantly damaged the United States’ moral standing, undermined our foreign policy, and encourage terrorism rather than effectively combated it.” His opinion refers to abuse and torture, as well as the unlawful detention of inmates at the military prison that Amnesty International has called a “gulag of our times.” In 2009, Bernie voted against the proposals the Obama administration suggested for closing the prison. The bill was defeated with strong bipartisan support (90-6). Given Bernie’s human rights concerns regarding the facility, he voted against it because the plans did not address the human rights violations — including prisoners being held indefinitely without trial — that he and so many other Americans are most concerned about with regard to Guantánamo. "

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Should student debt be bailed out without a plan to control the costs of higher education?

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Hoping to have a bit of a discussion on this topic. First, please don't misunderstand me, I think bailing out student debt is a fantastic idea, and will be an incredible economic stimulus (students will go out and buy houses, cars, etc. by the hundreds of thousands if not millions). However, what's to stop the problem from repeating itself? I know that Bernie wants to make public colleges all free, but let's be honest, those with the largest student loan debt went to private colleges and universities.

So, without a plan in place to drastically reduce the cost of ALL higher education, or at least making those schools inegible for student loans, how does this problem not just happen all over again.

I ask this as someone who recently finished graduate school myself and has a decent amount of student debt. I also have noticed a gigantic amount of administrative bloat in Universities, with librarians and mid-level-administrators being paid double or more than tenured science professors. Seems quite similar to the problem facing health care – there is a middle man taking a giant chunk of the money. In healthcare that middle man is insurance companies and whatnot, but in higher education that middle man is the University establishments.

Once again, not asking this to provoke any anger, I have been a Bernie supporter since before the first primary of the 2016 election, would just love to have a discussion.

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