[Rant] I find it funny how easy it is to convince my republican friends and family to vote for Sanders than it is to convince my own Democratic family.

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Here's some context. I live in the tristate area of West Virginia. Where I'm from is a purple district as compared to rest of the state. My mom's side of the family is mostly republican and my dad's side of the family is mostly democratic. Me and my two siblings are independent but usually vote democrat. I have friends and acquaintances all across the political spectrum.

I don't try to discus politics with my republican friends and family, but when i do I always find a way to compromise with them. For instance they usually agree with me on the topic of legalizing marijuana, ending the mass incarceration rate, and getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan. They don't fully agree with Bernie Sanders, but would rather vote for him than they would Donald Trump.

Same can't be said about my democratic family. My mom plans on voting for Warren, mainly because she's tired of old white men running for president and thinks that Bernie's heart problems is now the end of his campaign. All my dad cares about is getting Trump out of office. He dislikes Sanders and Warren because he thinks their policies will never get passed. While he dislikes Biden, he's probably going to vote for him. My sister likes Bernie, but think he's to old. My brother is the only person that's probably going to vote for Sanders in the primary.

It seems when I try to convince them to vote for Bernie or debunk all the smear tactics the main stream media uses at him, their response is to get me and my generation to get out there and vote for him.

What advice would you give me to convince my family to vote for him?

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Why are polls, which are a projection of the future potential behavior of a population (and only a mere sample at that) asserted as – or really, straight up pushed as -more reliable than data showing literal number of existing supporters (donor and volunteer data)?

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Why are polls, which are a projection of the future potential behavior of a population (and only a mere sample at that) asserted as – or really, straight up pushed as -more reliable than data showing literal number of existing supporters (donor and volunteer data)? Bernie has more than twice as many donors (more than 1 million) than the next candidate (at approximately 500,000). How on earth in all reality can the narrative that Bernie is third or lower be remotely justified when actual literal data definitively exhobits that Bernie IS demonstrably preferred by more primary voters than all of the other candidates. I just keep feeling gaslighted by the narrative that is being pushed by the polls and assumption that a projected sample (polls) are more reliable than data that exhibits literal, actual support that currently exists as opposed to the mere sentiment or idea of projected support of a candidate in the future, i.e. the primary.

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The Movement Bernie Started Is Bigger Than Any One Person. Have Faith in That Movement, Not Just the Man

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The Movement Bernie Started Is Bigger Than Any One Person. Have Faith in That Movement, Not Just the Man

https://i.redd.it/16yhtlhfkxq31.jpg

The reason people support Bernie Sanders is not because of the man; it is because of the ideals that he represents. He fights for the issues that are dear to us, and people trust him to fill his administration with those who will carry on in these fights. I have no doubt that his administration will be one of moral integrity. That every person appointed and hired will truly have these ideals at heart and will have the moral fortitude to stand up to corporate interests and lobbyists. A government for the people and by the people. And while I would love for Sanders to fill the role of president for four whole years, we would be blessed to have even one day because that’s all we truly need. For just a moment, someone to put their foot in the door, so the rest of us can gather the strength to get out of this sandpit, push open that door more fully, and allow in the integrity and compassion we’ve been missing.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/10/06/movement-bernie-started-bigger-any-one-person-have-faith-movement-not-just-man

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Can someone more knowledgeable than me help put these articles in context?

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I was in a thread on the politics subreddit talking with an anti-Bernie supporter, and he posted these articles to show some issues Bernie would get eviscerated on if he were to ever debate Trump:

https://m.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/stickin-to-his-guns-the-nra-helped-elect-bernie-sanders-to-congress-now-hes-telling-a-different-story/Content?oid=27816693

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-02-19/in-nevada-bernie-sanders-immigration-record-is-a-nightmare

https://www.leftvoice.org/sanders-votes-for-increased-border-security-despite-progressive-opposition

https://thetylt.com/politics/bernie-sanders-russia-2016-election

I didn't know enough about these issues to respond, but they've got me worried. These issues seem like good ones conservatives could bring up in their anti-Bernie rhetoric, and I'd love to be able to put them down. Can anyone here help set the record straight? Maybe Bernie's changed his policies since these articles were written, or maybe the authors misinterpreted or missed something?

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“I would rather vote for the songwriter than someone who performs a very good cover.“ – u/eggshellmoudling when ask why Bernie vs candidates who now share his policies

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Great statement in r politics by u/eggshellmoudling when talking about Bernie vs. other candidates. “I would rather vote for the songwriter than someone who performs a very good cover.” https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/cs1ezg/bernie_sanders_unveils_plan_to_reform_countrys/exc45ac/

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This new plan is SO MUCH MORE than legalizing weed, this man NEEDS to win

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I’m from the UK, but I have been a fan of Bernie since 2015/16, this new criminal justice reform plan cemented my belief that Bernie NEEDS to become the next president, I’ll be honest, I cried reading this plan…

• An investigation every time someone dies in police custody • A third party company taking care of police body cams • Paid time off work for victims of sexual assault • Services like trained mental health professionals to respond to call outs • Police training with emphasis on de-escalation and understanding of racial biases • Ending the death penalty • Banning police getting their hands on military equipment

I don’t know where the other candidates stand on these issues, but seeing the de-criminalization of truancy in this plan, Kamala ain’t got shit on him

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Sanders being a better candidate than Warren Argument

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A lot of people have been discussing Warren vs Sanders. Let me give certain points why Sanders is a far superior candidate than Warren –

  1. Past History & Struggles – Sanders displayed extreme courage to go to jail in his 20s protesting segregation. He fought against Republicans & Democrats promoting oligarchy through incredibly hard 3rd party politics & had a much tougher road than what he would have had he taken the easy road through a Democratic Primary. He ran in 2016 to shift the ideological position. Warren was a life-long Republican while Reagan was destroying the social fabric, attacking single mothers, cutting welfare & cutting taxes on wealthy by half. She was the progressive option but displayed no courage in 2016. She stayed out & let Hillary run through which would have brought Neoliberalism back, only because she could VP or something of that sort. She didn't endorse Bernie in 2016 despite the ideological similarity.

  2. Visionary vs Copycat about Medicare for All – Warren has little expertise on Medicare for all but worse over 6-7 years, she never supported it while Sanders has supported it for decades. She campaigned on building the ACA & only reluctantly agreed to support M4A after Booker, Gillibrand, Harris & everyone else was on board & she did it to not look right wing. Sanders took an issue which had 0 support in Senate & made in mainstream. When there will be 100s of Millions of $ by Pharma & Insurance who will stand his ground. Who has the guts to pressurize Bennet or Coons? Elizabeth Warren can never get Medicare-for-all past. She is an okay ally to have on that policy on that Senate, but not as the leader as the POTUS.

  3. Movement Leader & Grassroots Support – Sanders has 1M Volunteers & 2.5M donations. Warren doesn't have half of that. Sanders has a committed & dedicated & passionate base who will be with him after the election to help make change. Warren doesn't have the base that Sanders has & no plan to make change.

  4. Past Results – Veterans Bill 96-4, War Powers Act, Amazon & Disney raising 15$ Min Wage, US House passing Bernie's 15$ Wage, Amendment King in House, US War/DOMA Vote, War Powers act & so on. Warren has 0 accomplishments & is flop in terms of results.

  5. Warren is the candidate of Rich White Elites – Warren is doing horrible among Black & Hispanic voters despite very high name recognition & likeability. Not only that her primary voters are above 100K$ in Income while Sanders' key base is 50K$ & under. Warren is the candidate of majorly White High Income voters while Sanders represents black, white, brown low income working folks. Who do you want to see represented in the white house?

  6. Warren's bad Foreign Policy record – Warren previously over the years time & again, has voted for Trump's 700B$ Military budget & has taken hawkish stances on Israel. Sanders is a known anti-war candidate preaching humanity & human rights & voting against huge military budgets.

  7. Political Courage vs Political Expediency – Sanders was in the frontline leading against Dakota Pipeline while Warren never took a stand. Neither did she take one in 2016. Warren takes politically expedient calls to further her political ambition & may sell out on M4A if need be & in other areas while Sanders can take tough positions including like giving felons the right to vote.

  8. GE Candidate Strength – Warren may win or may lose as she is politically not smart instinct wise. She played into Trump's hands with the DNA test. She has lied about being Native American previously in various employment opportunities. And she foolishly responds to Trump. Trump has control over Warren. Plus the Dem Candidate needs to win big over Trump so that the Senate & House Dem Candidates also win. Otherwise nothing passes with Mitch McConnell as Majority Leader.

Warren has had 0 criticism. Not 1 question about how she implements her policies or lies about being Native American or GE vulnerability or being a follower in terms of M4All. The Corporate Media is using her as a tool to steal Bernie's progressive base & is fawning over her.

Bernie is the last chance of a Historic Political Realignment which happens once in 40+ years (FDR is 30s, Reagan in 80s). Sanders can lead a new progressive era. Sanders & Warren are not the same candidates. He is a more honest, authentic candidate has been in the picketlines for labour, who resurrected a dead progressive movement single handedly.

Also don't go by the polls only. They change. Many of these polls have 20-25% of voters above 100K income which is nowhere near the voting population. The Fox poll didn't sample Independents. Polls give a general feeling & are all over the place. 25-30% may well be enough to win early states.

Sanders needs to win over Warren. I hope above argument is enough to convince others. Feel free to add more points

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