Combating the talking point about “taking away people’s choice in insurance” or “getting kicked off their plan”

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I wanted to post this topic here, not only for all of us to help with phone banking and discussing Bernie with others, but also because I know some of the campaign staff read this sub and I am hoping this is an attack we can start to address better. I'd love to share my thoughts and hear from the community on this if this seems impacftul or if there are other ways to tweak this or address it better.

Right now we are on the defensive and I think this talking point has some traction. I also think we have the opportunity to use the notion of "freedom of choice" to go on the offensive and turn this to our advantage.

The approach today: The main approach from the campaign seems to be saying "people don't love their insurance." Fair, but also know people tend to fear loss and change. So while many supporters agree, I am dubious how this is landing with the average voter / person we want to support MFA.

The proposed approach: Re-frame choice as being about choosing your doctor, hospital, and care instead of worrying about how it will get paid for. This both promotes benefits of MFA and shows a weakness of other candidate's plans.

Here's an example of how I think it could be framed during a debate – even if it would need to be trimmed down / tweaked. For this example, let's assume it was Joe Biden who brought up the loss of choice:

It's interesting that my colleague brings up the issue of choice and that people could lose their current insurance plan under Medicare for All. Look, I am a big proponent of giving people the freedom of choice. And I agree that Americans should be able to decide what's best for their families. But here's where I disagree with Joe.

I think that the choice that matters to people and the choice I want to give each American is the freedom to chose their doctor and their care. Under Medicare for All, you can pick your doctor and agree with your doctor on your care. And if you find a doctor you like and trust, who knows you and your family – you can keep them for life. That's the choice most people care about. And today and under my friend Joe's plan, your insurance could decide tomorrow the doctor you chose is no longer in-network or certain care options are no longer covered. Your employer could change your insurance plan tomorrow. You could change jobs or lose your job and suddenly, you've lost the doctor and provider you've chosen and who knows you best. Suddenly, you've lost your freedom to choose and have been "kicked off your doctor and off your chosen care."

Today, the idea of choosing insurance only seems relevant because in the current system each plan has a different network with different doctors. They have different premiums, deductibles, and co-pays. It's not a fun choice. It's stressful and for many American's, this choice amounts to which of my employer's plans do I choose – the one with lower monthly premiums and high out of pocket costs or extremely high premiums, but lower costs if I get sick. Under Medicare for All, you no longer have to worry about this. It becomes an unnecessary choice as you don't have to worry about your medical bills getting paid. You get to focus on choosing your doctor, your provider, and the treatment that's right for you. That's freedom of choice.

So the question I would have for my colleagues like Joe is why are you advancing a plan where people can get "kicked off their doctor" or "kicked off their treatment plan" they've chosen with their doctor. Medicare for All takes away any worry about what is covered or who is in network. I would be concerned that your plan, while it does let people pick which private company might pay their medical bills – it takes away their freedom of choice over their actual doctor and healthcare decisions. Medicare for All gives people that peace of mind and gives them that trust and that more important freedom of choice.

Opponent's rebuttal:

The main rebuttal to this in my mind would be if someone claimed that under the current system, even if someone's insurance plan changed and their doctor was out of network, they could choose to change insurance companies or they could still go to the doctor and pay out of pocket.

But both of these seem pretty easy to refute. Insurance plans not subsidized by your employer are extremely expensive and while you can technically go to an "out of network" doctor, many won't see you if you don't have insurance they are covered by. And even if they did, beyond a routine check up – any treatment could easily cost you $ 100k+. And for 99% of Americans, that's not really a choice, since they cannot afford to choose $ 500k in medical bills to get a procedure done by their "chosen" doctor if they are out of network.


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